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๐Ÿงต Threads: Tracking Rabbit Holes Within a Flow

The Problem You're Describing

You have one flow (greatVibe Development), but within it there are tangential sequences that took multiple turns to resolve before you could continue with the main objective.

Example from today:

Main Objective: Build Flow Timeline Panel
    โ”‚
    โ”œโ”€โ”€ ๐Ÿฐ Rabbit Hole: Mobile padding broken
    โ”‚   โ”œโ”€โ”€ Turn 1: Input area bottom padding fix
    โ”‚   โ”œโ”€โ”€ Turn 2: Still broken - CSS cascade issue
    โ”‚   โ”œโ”€โ”€ Turn 3: Found it - 100vh overriding 100svh
    โ”‚   โ””โ”€โ”€ Turn 4: Finally fixed
    โ”‚
    โ””โ”€โ”€ Resume: Add lazy loading to timeline

๐ŸŽฏ What "Thread" Would Represent

Definition A sequence of turns that got spawned to resolve something before returning to the main work
Trigger "This should have been simple but..." moments
Contains 2+ kontasks that form a debugging/fixing sequence
Purpose Visibility into where time/tokens went, learning from friction

๐Ÿ“ Schema Options

Option A: Thread as First-Class Entity

gvThread {
  id: "thread_01KEN..."
  flowId: "flow_01KEK..."      // parent flow
  title: "Mobile padding cascade bug"
  trigger: "Expected quick fix, got CSS cascade"
  kontaskIds: ["abc", "def", "ghi"]  // ordered
  status: "resolved" | "ongoing"
  startedAt: timestamp
  resolvedAt: timestamp
  totalTurns: 4
  totalTokens: 500000
}

โœ“ Clean separation, easy to query "show me all rabbit holes"

โœ— Another entity to manage, more schema complexity

Option B: Edge-Based Threading

// Use edge type to link kontasks in sequence
edge {
  sourceId: "kontask_def"  // CSS cascade fix
  targetId: "kontask_abc"  // original padding fix
  edgeType: "continues"   // or "follows", "spawned_by"
  reason: "Previous fix didn't work"
}

โœ“ Uses existing graph infra, no new entities

โœ— Threads are implicit, harder to see boundaries

Option C: Kontask Tag/Group

// Add threadId field to kontask
kontask {
  id: "abc"
  flowId: "flow_01KEK..."
  threadId: "thread_mobile-padding"  // nullable
  threadOrder: 1                      // position in sequence
}

โœ“ Simple, just adds fields to existing entity

โœ— Thread metadata (title, status) needs to live somewhere

๐Ÿค” My Take

Option A (Thread as Entity) feels right because:

  • Threads have their own lifecycle (start, resolve, abandon)
  • They deserve a title that explains the detour
  • You want to see "this week's rabbit holes" in aggregate
  • Token/time metrics make sense at the thread level
  • Could surface in Flow Timeline as collapsible groups

๐Ÿ“Š UI Representation

Flow Timeline (with threads)
โ”Œโ”€โ”€โ”€โ”€โ”€โ”€โ”€โ”€โ”€โ”€โ”€โ”€โ”€โ”€โ”€โ”€โ”€โ”€โ”€โ”€โ”€โ”€โ”€โ”€โ”€โ”€โ”€โ”€โ”€โ”€โ”€โ”€โ”€โ”€โ”€โ”€โ”€โ”€โ”€โ”€โ”€โ”
โ”‚ 09:15  Flow Timeline Panel Cleanup   โœจ โ”‚
โ”‚                                         โ”‚
โ”‚ ๐Ÿงต Mobile Padding Bug (4 turns, 12min)  โ”‚
โ”‚ โ”‚ 09:02  CSS Cascade Fix             ๐Ÿ› โ”‚
โ”‚ โ”‚ 08:52  Input Area Padding Fix      ๐Ÿ› โ”‚
โ”‚ โ”‚ 08:52  Still broken...             ๐Ÿ› โ”‚
โ”‚ โ”” 08:40  Full-Width Input Fix        ๐Ÿ› โ”‚
โ”‚                                         โ”‚
โ”‚ 08:40  Flow Timeline Full-Width Fix  ๐Ÿ—๏ธ โ”‚
โ”‚ 01:51  Status Bar Layout Fix         ๐Ÿ—๏ธ โ”‚
โ””โ”€โ”€โ”€โ”€โ”€โ”€โ”€โ”€โ”€โ”€โ”€โ”€โ”€โ”€โ”€โ”€โ”€โ”€โ”€โ”€โ”€โ”€โ”€โ”€โ”€โ”€โ”€โ”€โ”€โ”€โ”€โ”€โ”€โ”€โ”€โ”€โ”€โ”€โ”€โ”€โ”€โ”˜

Threads collapse to show "this was a detour" without cluttering the main timeline.

Bottom line: Yes, I think threads would add clarity. They're the "sub-plot" to your flow's "main plot". The question is whether to add them now or wait until the current flow system is more stable.

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Type General
Status Completed
Scope greatvibe
Tags designflowsschemaarchitecture
Created 11 Jan 2026, 9:28 am
Updated 11 Jan 2026, 9:30 am
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Created By claude

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